Telangana and Andhra OR Telangana and Andhra Pradesh ??
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All of us have some presuppositions on this definite issue. Every point of these presumptions might be correct, might be wrong too!
We need to know few facts before coming to a conclusion, let alone the politicians and KTR (I like KTR better than KCR only for the reason it sounds like NTR :P)
These are just facts and in now way decisive for a conclusion !!
Worth Andhra Pradesh :
Andhra Pradesh is a combination of two regions, Andhra (which is seperated from Madras Presidency at the time of Independence) and Telangana (which is the telugu speaking region of Nizam’s kingdom)
1. Under development cannot be the singular point for a new state. If thats the case, there are many under developed regions (like vidarbha and etc) that can carve out. Its the historic base of telanagana movement that’s behind this outrage.
2. New state (or for that matter, small state) does not gaurantee development. Chattisgarh, Jharkand and Uttaranchal are the best examples. (Even Pak, Bangladesh and other parted countries can be shown as examples as they are having some problem or the other!)
3. There is no other conflict point for making a new state (like ethnic conflict, boundary problems, insurgency, cultural differences etc ) that can be the crieteria to be taken care while making a new state.
4. Telenaga region already has some special rules for it made. (example in employment, telangana people will be preferred etc )
5. All the telangana is politically included always in the state elections. People take part in the democratic process of the state enthusiastically. Never was any election boycotted.
Worth Telangana (The Word Telangana or Telingana means land of telugus!!!!! )
1. The States Reorganization Commission (SRC) was not in favour of merging the Telangana region with the then Andhra state. The central government decided to ignore the SRC recommendations and established unified Andhra Pradesh on November 1, 1956. However, a “Gentlemen’s agreement” provided reassurances to the Telangana people as well to Andhra people in terms of power sharing as well as administrative domicile rules and distribution of expenses of various regions. This agreement is known as Gentlemen’s agreement of Andhra Pradesh (1956)
2. The Gentlemen’s agreement of Andhra Pradesh (1956) refers to a gentlemen’s agreement that was signed between Telangana and Andhra leaders before the formation of the state of Andhra Pradesh in 1956. The agreement provided safeguards with the purpose of preventing discrimination against Telangana by the government of Andhra Pradesh.[1] The alleged violations of this agreement are cited as one of the reasons for demands for separate statehood for Telangana. NONE OF THE AP GOVTS SO FAR HAS RESPECTED THIS AGREEMENT!!
2. They also agreed that if the CM is from andra region, there should be a deputy CM from telangana region..and vice versa. THIS TOO WAS NOT FOLLOWED EVEN FOR A SINGLE TIME !!!
3. No special regional area development funds/acts have been implemented in 40 yrs
4. AP GOVT has been totally ignoring telangana’s devlopment , its accords, its acts, its promises while exploiting and draining its wealth and natural resources.
Points on current news:
TRS lost the elections. So it lost the people’s mandate ! Does this mean they no longer want to have a seperate state OR does this mean they lost confidence in TRS in carving a new state ? !!
For those who are thinking that OU students did a sad thing, it seems its in their past connections !! In 1969 when the telanagana movement started, Student agitation for the continuation of the agreement began at Osmania University in Hyderabad and spread to other parts of the region and around 360 students gave their lives in the movement !!!!
Nevertheless all the points, a seperate state needs a new Administrative machinery, a new CM, new Cabinet, new Assembly, elections etc etc etc, even a most minimum estimate costs around 2000 crores initially; which if used for telanagana region can cover atleast three districts for another two years.. No one even asks for a new state !!!
After these controversial points, its better if I put my opinion also.
I would say, Telangaana people were promised development (like the promise to any other under developed region!) but it is not respected. So, it is good to give them another chance to wait for development, though, with far more powers and concentration.
1. Follow the Gentleman Agreement, if CM is from Andhra, have a deputy CM from telangana and vice versa. (This might even satisfy KCR?)
2. Else, make a Telangana Autonomous region, give it full control over the region, see if it can usher development within some 5/10 yr time frame, and if it succeeds, Telanagana is a new state; else It will continue as a Autonomous region. !!
Worth United Andhra Pradesh
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Personal Update : 6th Jan, 2011 :
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Strange isn’t it, one year ago when I made the post above to express my opinion and suggestions, I suggested for an Autonomous Regional Council ! Co-incidentally or otherwise , the best suggested recommendation of the committee talks of Telangana Regional Council ! Though my opinion at that time was having no statistical and observable/provable facts to support, now they are available. I am happy for a non-partisan thought process going on in me personally. Again, two days back I replied with a comment saying that this option might not be under any kind of discussion at all , and today the Sri Krishna Committee report suggested a very similar approach (though they didn’t use the words Autonomous and Schedule 5), using constitutional and / or statutory provisions to create a Telangana Regional Council.
Thank you !
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Hello sir, I am a citizen of Telangana(not Andhra pradesh).. first of
all i would like to make a note that… KCR doesn’t start the Telangana
movement.It is an issue from 1960’s only.. that is because of not
following gentle man’s agreement by Andhra and rayalseema Region(note
this), now coming to the point.. at present.. the movement is completely
handling only by telangana people’s..and not influence by any telangana
politician’s.just we are following their views and idea’s, because we
want telangana state…We want Telangana state, this is coming from the
heart of telangana people, may be 1 or 2% of people from telangana may
appose it but almost 98% of the people from telangana are strongly
saying that we want telangana… “U might ask why u want telanaga?”…
umm, well, the points u already said in the previous post’s..I give 1 or
2 examples, they are enough to understand why we are asking to
separate.. In Hyderabad(I wll discuss abt it later)the capital city of
Andhra pradesh(untill telangana come’s), we have all old,scrap buses
even though it is a capital city.. where come to vizag it have all A1
buses….. y the Variation?, In Telangana.. nearly 40% of RTC drivers
and conductors are from Andhra and Rayalseema… whereas in Andhra and
Rayalseema we never find a single person from Telangana region…
State
Governtment and central Govt employee’s, if they are from Telangana
they get transfer’s only in the telangana region itself.. bt Andhra and
rayalseema employee’s they get transfer’s all over the A.P… this is
because the Andhra and Rayalseema people never allow telangana people to
enter into ur sand’s…
Now I want to talk about the
development.. take the example of cinema’s, we find that in all the
telugu movies they show the places from telangana only
hyderabad,warangal,for some extent karimnagar,and Adhilabad. where come
to Andhra and rayalseema regions, they show
vizag,vijayawada,krishna,guntur,east godavari, west
godavari,paalakolu,pedhapuram,kurnool,kaakinada,and many…….. why
because.. they all are developed area’s.. now u can count how many
areas from Telangana and how many areas from Andhra and Rayalseema are
developed……… this is the right example’s to show how development
is taking place in Andhra Pradesh since it formed… all telangana
area’s are neglected because of discrimination..its enough.. we want to
separate…..
nearlly 600 citizens of telangana region, are
sacrified their life’s because of the reason Telangana state maynot
come.. This happen only after the Samaikhya Andhra Udhyamam..U people
started this Samaikhya Andhra Udhyamam only after Chidhanbaram’s
statement…Y didnt u started before the statement????because U all
people(Andhra and Rayalseema) never care about our(Telangana) feelings..
U r all resposible for their deaths, who are apposing Telangana state.
U
all (Andhra and rayalseema people) are saying that
we(Telangana,Andhra,Rayalseema) all are brothers& we have to stay
under one roof.. Before Dec 9, 2009.. did any of a single citizen from
Andhra and rayalseema has opened their mouth???? Before that date in
Osmania university, many student’s are Injured due to police attack..
did any one opend their mouth about this?? have u all shown any
concern??? No.. , bt U(Andhra& Rayalseema people) say we all are
brother?? It is coming only from your mount not from your heart………
So, we want to separate…
Telangana citizens had to get
certain percentage in government jobs… Is it implimenting properly?
No……………….Take a example of police recruitment, nearly 70%
of the jobs are covered by Andhra and Rayalseema people in Telangana
region, even though there is an agreement,its violated…… is it
fair???The higher authority obviously from Andhra and Rayalseema then
how the Telangana candidates can clear all the test’s??? even though
they are eligible, they are rejected.. “Discrimination” So, we want to
Separate……..
Then coming to the HYDERABAD…… it is the
part of Telangana… and it is located in the centre of Telangana
region………. development??? who developed it?? ,High court,
Secretariate, Osmania hospital, Tank bund, charminar, Golconda, Nizam
college, Osmania campus, they all are already there at the time of Nizam
only(before AP formed), then coming to other development like
flyover’s, roads,(collected the tax only from the Hyderabad people)
Airport, Bus terminals, Railway stations,(central govt duty) so,
hyderabad is completely developed by hyderabad people itself.. nearly
60% of the people(Telangana people) are living in hyderabad, are living
in their own region i.e., Telangana region.. the rest of the people from
Andhra and Rayalseema, are the settler’s……. so, Hyderabad belongs
only to Telangana… It is the part of Telangana..
Then come to IT sector and other Industries.. can be find in all the major cities………….
Then
coming to your view, Autonomous region??? Now the issue is not only
about the development… It is also because of discrimination……..
self respect…….to protect our culture…….. I found that many of
the people from Andhra and rayalseema region, talk rubbish and insult
our culture… we don’t want to bare this… so, there is no question of
living together…… we want to separate………………
Telangana is our birth right…………….. we want our
telangana………………. we are ready to sacrifice our life’s to get
telangana….. Jai Telangana Jai Jai Telangana…………
Hello sir, I am a citizen of Telangana(not Andhra pradesh).. first of all i would like to make a note that… KCR doesn’t start the Telangana movement.It is an issue from 1960’s only.. that is because of not following gentle man’s agreement by Andhra and rayalseema Region(note this), now coming to the point.. at present.. the movement is completely handling only by telangana people’s..and not influence by any telangana politician’s.just we are following their views and idea’s, because we want telangana state…We want Telangana state, this is coming from the heart of telangana people, may be 1 or 2% of people from telangana may appose it but almost 98% of the people from telangana are strongly saying that we want telangana… “U might ask why u want telanaga?”… umm, well, the points u already said in the previous post’s..I give 1 or 2 examples, they are enough to understand why we are asking to separate.. In Hyderabad(I wll discuss abt it later)the capital city of Andhra pradesh(untill telangana come’s), we have all old,scrap buses even though it is a capital city.. where come to vizag it have all A1 buses….. y the Variation?, In Telangana.. nearly 40% of RTC drivers and conductors are from Andhra and Rayalseema… whereas in Andhra and Rayalseema we never find a single person from Telangana region…
State Governtment and central Govt employee’s, if they are from Telangana they get transfer’s only in the telangana region itself.. bt Andhra and rayalseema employee’s they get transfer’s all over the A.P… this is because the Andhra and Rayalseema people never allow telangana people to enter into ur sand’s…
Now I want to talk about the development.. take the example of cinema’s, we find that in all the telugu movies they show the places from telangana only hyderabad,warangal,for some extent karimnagar,and Adhilabad. where come to Andhra and rayalseema regions, they show vizag,vijayawada,krishna,guntur,east godavari, west godavari,paalakolu,pedhapuram,kurnool,kaakinada,and many…….. why because.. they all are developed area’s.. now u can count how many areas from Telangana and how many areas from Andhra and Rayalseema are developed……… this is the right example’s to show how development is taking place in Andhra Pradesh since it formed… all telangana area’s are neglected because of discrimination..its enough.. we want to separate…..
nearlly 600 citizens of telangana region, are sacrified their life’s because of the reason Telangana state maynot come.. This happen only after the Samaikhya Andhra Udhyamam..U people started this Samaikhya Andhra Udhyamam only after Chidhanbaram’s statement…Y didnt u started before the statement????because U all people(Andhra and Rayalseema) never care about our(Telangana) feelings.. U r all resposible for their deaths, who are apposing Telangana state.
U all (Andhra and rayalseema people) are saying that we(Telangana,Andhra,Rayalseema) all are brothers& we have to stay under one roof.. Before Dec 9, 2009.. did any of a single citizen from Andhra and rayalseema has opened their mouth???? Before that date in Osmania university, many student’s are Injured due to police attack.. did any one opend their mouth about this?? have u all shown any concern??? No.. , bt U(Andhra& Rayalseema people) say we all are brother?? It is coming only from your mount not from your heart……… So, we want to separate…
Telangana citizens had to get certain percentage in government jobs… Is it implimenting properly? No……………….Take a example of police recruitment, nearly 70% of the jobs are covered by Andhra and Rayalseema people in Telangana region, even though there is an agreement,its violated…… is it fair???The higher authority obviously from Andhra and Rayalseema then how the Telangana candidates can clear all the test’s??? even though they are eligible, they are rejected.. “Discrimination” So, we want to Separate……..
Then coming to the HYDERABAD…… it is the part of Telangana… and it is located in the centre of Telangana region………. development??? who developed it?? ,High court, Secretariate, Osmania hospital, Tank bund, charminar, Golconda, Nizam college, Osmania campus, they all are already there at the time of Nizam only(before AP formed), then coming to other development like flyover’s, roads,(collected the tax only from the Hyderabad people) Airport, Bus terminals, Railway stations,(central govt duty) so, hyderabad is completely developed by hyderabad people itself.. nearly 60% of the people(Telangana people) are living in hyderabad, are living in their own region i.e., Telangana region.. the rest of the people from Andhra and Rayalseema, are the settler’s……. so, Hyderabad belongs only to Telangana… It is the part of Telangana..
Then come to IT sector and other Industries.. can be find in all the major cities………….
Then coming to your view, Autonomous region??? Now the issue is not only about the development… It is also because of discrimination…….. self respect…….to protect our culture…….. I found that many of the people from Andhra and rayalseema region, talk rubbish and insult our culture… we don’t want to bare this… so, there is no question of living together…… we want to separate………………
Telangana is our birth right…………….. we want our telangana………………. we are ready to sacrifice our life’s to get telangana….. Jai Telangana Jai Jai Telangana…………
hello friends
naa peru karthik…
see telangana vaste manaku labham emi ledu….edanta oka trash lead by polititians for their narrow political gain
it is just a political agitation ……..
oka sari think cheyandi….
ee bandlu …rastarokolu…etc valla aa polititians nastham emi vundadu…..ivanni last ki common man meda padutndi
students education nasanamai potundi…..
anna tammulu laga kalasi melasi vundam….
unity is Strength…..
thank you brothers for seeing my comment
This is a dicussion- not a hatred process-blog
We have to use this to know the facts
No Andhra No Rayalaseema No samaika Andhra and also No Rayala Telangana. . . . . . . . . Only we need is our “ROYAL TELANGANA” Jai Telangana Jai jai Telangana uday – B.H.E.L
There is no problem with the constitution nor its provisions. It is time we stop mischiefs with the constitution and start concentrating on implementing it the way it should be. If this is what you meant, I am with you !
The backward regions or the not-so-much-cared areas are needed to be specially treated, that was the philosophy all through the Independent India, only that there are different ways we choose to do that, dividing and taking the share or integrating and sharing the resources.
Both of them failed , at some places both of them succeeded. Don’t look at the past for successes and failures if it can be avoided.
Lets’ hope for a better statehood.
What credibility does const provision will have when a similar thing was tried and failed.
I strongly believe that the merit of suggestion should be decided on how effectively it can be implemented.
From what has happened we can deduce that going with option 6 is no different than maintaining the status quo.
Even people of Telangana are very much for socio economic development. And they believe that they can achieve this by getting their right share of resources which is guaranteed by statehood to it but not by const provisions to it.
The un-implemented promises are the reason for the betray as well as the movement in toto. Not the credibility in the suggestions. Please make sure we got this difference.
The committee or who ever suggestion to implement GO 610 is correct in every regard. The next step failed.
The committee or people who suggested Gentlemen’s agreement did that with people’s acceptance. Nothing moved after that.
Sri Krishna Committee re-iterated the importance of ‘majority’ mood and significance of continuing development. I don’t think its good to doubt the credibility. The next step ? We know that there will be none.
The people of telangana has all the reasons to feel betrayed. I hope legitimate steps are taken to eradicate disbelief.
Hoping for a better statehood.
The problem with the autonomous region is
Similar kinds of provisions were present in the form of gentlemen’s agreement, 6 point formula and 610 GO. But there were all present on paper, the reality is different(All politicians including politicians frm talangana are responsible for this). People of telanagana feel betrayed if you are telling same story which was told 50- 60 years back. The credibility of this soln is at stake because of past deeds
Thanks
Rakesh
Strange isn’t it, two days back I replied with a comment saying that this option might not be under any kind of discussion at all , and today the Sri Krishna Committee report suggested a very similar approach (though they didn’t use the words Autonomous and Schedule 5), using constitutional and / or statutory provisions to create a Telangana Regional Council. Co-incidentally or otherwise , though my opinion at that time was having no statistical and observable/provable facts to support, now they are available. I am happy for a non-partisan thought process going on in me personally.
Hi,
Some Excellent points made above ! Thank you for those inputs. Almost all the above bullets look convincing to me in their face value, the four points does help in strengthening the democratic process. Telangana movement is good for people , good for democracy … till this i would love to agree. Next you said, separate telangana ‘may’ solve. So we dont know. As of now , lets not go whether its good or bad. Your points are valid strengthening one side “worth Telangana” , thats all to me there.
Having a good democratic process doesnt necessarily mean that it should give a separate state. On the other hand, we should be glad that the movement is not going highly violent way and taking a democratic way. Not the other way round.
If the process succeeds in dividing, its a success to democracy, if it fails, it again is a success to democratic negotiations.
To add, lets wait till the intellectuals who were given the authority to look into the matter, the sri krishna committee report also to come out and lets see whats facts are awaiting us.
Hoping a peaceful statehood …
Well, andhra was a historic name, it has many supposed roots from many sources like aitreya brahmana, from the words of Viswamitra maharshi and the Sangam Literature. I am talking about the ancient and vedic times history , 2000 years ago and more. So, the word ‘andhra’ used to mean all the telugu speaking people !
Later, the geographical distinctions made it sound specific which is not correct. Name was not kept after a particular region, it is old.
Sorry for a delayed reply.
Sorry for a late reply, but to just answer your point, autonomous regions are special administrative regions that the constitution recognizes under Schedule 5. All the regions under it now are all from the north eastern states. I am not sure if this will be expanded to include a non- north eastern state. But all the administrative processes that are present in an autonomous region made me opt as a solution. Its been a year that i had this article made, and my ideas too have changed considerably. I am not sure if this point will be under any kind of discussion at all !!
Thanks for your interest.
I totally agree telangana is not a panacea for all the problems. But by observing the telangana movement closely, I found out that telangana movement is good for people, good for democracy and I also believe that separate telangana may solve the problems. Following are the reasons for my belief
1. Telangana movement is not run by KCR, he mi8 be the part of it but he is not the whole movement.
2. I really do not understand why people are condemning involvement of OU students in the movement. I think we all agree India is suffering because of uneducated people entering into politics. It is telanagana movement where educated directly or indirectly influencing people. There involvement in political process is very good for democracy(I do condemn violence but I strongly support there involvement). And also OU is considered to be one of the best university in the India, there is no question that OU students and its profs are intellectually strong.
3. This movement is making elected politicians accountable to the public, one more good sign for democracy. Public of telangana are questioning the politicians about there false promises made at the time of election.
4. Involvement of intellectuals(like layers, engineers) in the movement is also good sign for democracy.
5.Even KCR at some point of the movement is questioned by public and made accountable to the public.
Because of the involvement students, intellectuals, educated people in the telanagana movement . I strongly feel that there involvement in the politics(directly or indirectly) will help new state(if at all its formed) in development.
Thanks
Rakesh
TELANGANA OKKARIKE HELP CHEYADAMEA THAPPA MAROKATE THEYLEYADU
HE IS A INNOSENT PEOPLES
WEN CENE INDUSTRY CAME HERE TELANGANA PEOPLE GIVEN HIS EATING FOOD TO HIM ROTES AND OTHER
BUT CENE INDUSTRY IS NOW SHOWING ME LIKE ROUDYES BUT IN HYDERABAD SEE ONLY HAVING DONGATHANALU BUT THAIR IS NOT HAVING MURDERS JALSALU REAPULU
AA DONGA THANALU KUDA AKALI BADATHO VUDYOGALU RAKA JARUGUTHAVE
ONLY HYDERA BAD MATTUKEA TELANGANA LO PERU VUNDE
KANE ANDRAVAREKE EA CENEMALO CHUSENA BOBBARULANKA VIJAYAVADA GODAVARI KRISHNA GUNTURU CHILAKALURE PETA PEDDAPURAM BEJAVADA STUVATHPURAM ELA ANNE PERLANU GARUVANGA CHEPPUKUNTARU EVEN CENEMA ALSO THAIR IS NO KARIMNAGAR MEDAK VARANGAL SIDDIPET GAJVALLI RR
ADEA RAYALA SEEMA LO THIRUPATHI ANANTA PURAM CHITTURU KARNULU ELA ANNE DISTICS ESTHARU
MARE TELANGANA VARU VEEREKE MANCHE GURENCHE PANEKE RARU
KANE VARE PEDDAPURAM LO KUDA MANCHE VARU VUNTARANTA
BEJAVADA LO MANUSHULANU CHAMPARANTA
BUT TELANGANA KASTAM TELESENDE VARU VEDE POIE ABEVRUDDE CHENDUTHEA NE MANCHEDE
JAI TELANGANA
An autonomous region is one governed directly under the control of the governor of a state without the interference of the state council of ministers (essentially, removing the Chief Minister from the picture).
Schedule 5 of the constitution of India defines the issues related with the autonomous regions within a state.
Generally, hilly regions and regions with mostly ST population are considered for this.
Hope it helps
Could you please elobrate the rules that govern an autonomous region
?
why should the state be called as andhra pradesh where as even telangana is there,,why should a particular region name should be kept for a whole state..change the name of A.P…name it telangana as a state name for whole A.P
telangana people need a separate state thats it….v cant live with snake like andhra humans..jai telangana jai jai telangana
why should the state be called as andhra pradesh where as even telangana is there,,why should a particular region name should be kept for a whole state..change the name of A.P…name it telangana as a state name for whole A.P
telangana people need a separate state thats it….v cant live with snake like andhra humans..jai telangana jai jai telangana
The problem is the intermingling of two sepearate aspects, one being the identity of telugu people and other being usage of that for the creation of a state for adminstrative purpose.
For a whole good 50 years both are intermingled as one and the same. It is not local to the Telugu people, the same applies to feelings of marathi people, tamil people when the mention of seperate state for vidarbha or sothern tamilnadu was mentioned. The blind reasoning that three small states were formed in 2000 does not stand here as the states from which they are carved out are not formed on language as the sole identity for their formation.
If adminstrative feasibility is the bench mark, then make regional head quarters for the three regions of ap and have them be reported to the state adminstration in hyderabad.
hi. its a good site ur maintaining
Fantastic Article! My homework was to support ANDHRA PRADESH not to split up…. this page helped me a lot!
In the conclusion above, there is no point of making a new state for now. Its only an autonomous region in Andhra Pradesh (and so, including Hyderabad) that has more special powers/opportunities for development. There will still be one CM and capital – Hyderabad.
Actually the point not to miss here is that, I concluded if the autonomous region shows results, then we can have a state of telangana, but if the autonomous region idea really works out well, then they got the development that they wanted for all these years under the state of Andhra Pradesh…so why should the question of a new state come at that time? (unless again KCR/KTR starts a fast unto death :P)
Ankita, Hyderabad’s identity is way too costly for politicians to bargain ! 🙂 Lets c what happens …
WorthvieW
In the conclusion above, there is no point of making a new state for now. Its only an autonomous region in Andhra Pradesh (and so, including Hyderabad) that has more special powers/opportunities for development. There will still be one CM and capital – Hyderabad.
Actually the point not to miss here is that, I concluded if the autonomous region shows results, then we can have a state of telangana, but if the autonomous region idea really works out well, then they got the development that they wanted for all these years under the state of Andhra Pradesh…so why should the question of a new state come at that time? (unless again KCR/KTR starts a fast unto death :P)
Ankita, Hyderabad's identity is way too costly for politicians to bargain ! 🙂 Lets c what happens …
WorthvieW
i agree abt the arguement of better governence but please spare hyderabad. make it a UT. we dont want lose our identity in this battle.
beautiful article! very good views and opinioins…i appreciate the knowledge and the thoughts..
KTR (I like KTR better than KCR only for the reason it sounds like NTR 😛 ) keka mastaru.. e words matram KTR .. 😉 nice article..